Hasselblad X1D II 50C review - is 50MP still enough to be the best medium format camera?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Hasselblad has just announced the Hasselblad X1D II 50C - an update of its 50-megapixel mirrorless medium format camera from 2016.
Is it still good enough in 2019, when full-frame mirrorless cameras have 47MP sensors, and when the Fujifilm GFX 100 is taking medium format to the next level with 100MP and in-body image stabilization?
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Surprised and disappointed it didn't have 100mp? Then everyone would have been surprised and disappointed because it would have cost over 10k. Also the body would have to be bigger - a bigger sensor means bigger everything in terms of electronics - power consumption heat dissipation - the most surprising and not disappointing thing about the new model is that it is cheaper and that therefore makes it better!!!
It's definitely surprising and/or disappointing when there's a shiny new 100MP sensor out there, and the company gets your expectations up by hyping things like "the next chapter in our legacy" only to re-release the same camera! Though, yes, it's cheaper, and a bit better. Thing is, though, the Fuji GFX 50R is cheaper and a quite a *lot* better…
@@Artaius Hi - disagree - the 50Xr is a wonderful and lovely thing - but I have found time and time again that HAssy lenses just 'are' - couple this with the fact that the new 907x can use them too and the Hass system looks the better alternative - I have been pro for 30yrs and have never been locked into any system - mostly now I use the Phase One - for fashion and hi end commercial shoots - as it is one of the best tools on the market - however we are looking at seriously investing into the Hassy system because of the modular entity - having used the Fuji 100mpx I simply found it all a bit too much - it is supposed to handle like a DSLR - but fells like MF - having grown up with Mamiya RZ/Fuji GX680 and of course Hass500's I feel that something has been lost along the way - the slowness of MF makes you a better photographer - having more MPX's at your disposal only makes a bad photograph worse!!! - We will see - I am not convinced of the Hass system as yet - I certainly like the idea of it - my fUji GFX's will be up for sale - we use them as back up to the Phase One just in case we cannot either hire it or it goes wrong on set - which it has a done a cupla times - but the simplicity of the Hass system appeals to me the most. But of course when it comes down to it - we should always buy the tools which are right for the job not just because it has a label. Its not the camera which takes the picture - Whenever I get asked "which camera I should buy?" I always answer the same "I don't care which camera you buy, I only care what you put in front of it!!!" Have a super day and thanks for your reply - great channel - love it - keeping it real!!
Truly appreciate the honest review -- not an influencer simply spouting the brand's marketing points. I'm extremely interested in this camera, should I decide to investigate MF, but the contrast-detect AF does concern me a bit. It will be something to consider when trying one out before purchasing.
Your channel is Brilliant! Your voice and narration is legendary! 👍
Duuuuude, thank you so much! I really appreciate that - you'd put a big smile on my face :-D
Wow... articulate and eloquent with reasonable rationale behind. We need more reviewers like him!!
Thank you so much! That's made my day :-)
My Fuji GFX 50s keeps breaking ... or the 63mm lens I love does, at least. I'm about to start my 4th round of "will my favorite lens fail again?" ... and I'm tempted to move back to Hasselblad. The AF is scary, but I'm guessing it's not much different than the GFX 50s. Anyway, glad I stumbled across your channel! I might be the 500th subscriber? Congrats, regardless!
Thanks for the congrats and the sub! Very sorry to hear about your Fuji woes, though :-( I hope you're able to get it all sorted
You're welcome, and I appreciate it! I look forward to my camera just being a thing I use and not an obstacle. Thank you!
Jamie Maldonado You are right, I am a X1D owner and also tried several times the GFX 50, there is no real difference in speed and AF between the two. I prefer the X1D for its simpler and efficient user interface, its leaf shutter, Hasselblad unique color management with the Phocus software, it's integration in the other Hasselblad systems H and V.
If a fleshed-out, medium format lens ecosystem is important, Fuji GFX is more affordable, better supported, and is designed to resolve 100mp + sensors. You could buy the requisite lenses plus the GFX100 for less than the Hassy equivalents and 50mp body. If you go with the GFX 50S or new 50R and lenses, it's thousands of dollars less for the same sensor.
Really enjoying the channel so far!
Thanks a lot TJ! Agreed, the Fuji medium format system is so much more appealing for all those reasons. I appreciate that there are people who still love the luxury badge (see also: Leica), but I'd rather spend less cash and get more performance any day!
I agree with what you say but if I had the money I would buy the X1D MKII (My main Cameras is a Fuji XP2). The reason is this, the X1d is slower to use than the Fujibut for this kind of photography it does not matter. The ergonomics of the X1D are better and the camera is much more compact. There is a saying that it is not the camera but the man behind the camera... this is true for 99% of situations, the quality that can be extracted today from all cameras is amazing. You can't however beat the look for a large sensor so "medium format" is always going to produce a better looking image (I didn't say better quality although it will usually also be true).
I don't think the problem is 'just' 50 megapixels. That is plenty. The problem is the focus speed. It is a grat camera size and handling wise and with faster focus you could use it for everything even street. Without faster focus it is too narrow. Come on Hasselblad ... We are rooting for you. Time for an XD2
Agreed - an X2D would have been a very good idea, with some sort of hybrid phase detection (a la the GFX 100) to give it rock solid autofocus. Fingers crossed we get something like that soon!
I can see why many are disappointed in the lack of a true refresh but it's also important to keep in mind that Hasselblad is a boutique camera company. They are forced to develop products in a much different way than the gigantic companies like Fuji, Canon, Nikon, Sony and others. It's really not fair to compare them to these companies with much deeper pockets and resources.
@@mudnair4808 Let's keep it simple and just look at how much revenue Hasselblad generates annually compared to their smallest "competitor"
boutique company owned by DJI! They are loaded
@@evetsiksatu Yep, Still a boutique company. Reading this should put things into perspective www.theverge.com/2018/2/6/16977522/hasselblad-camera-factory-tour
@@brakesforsnakes757 It's a very good point. I'd love to have seen something more ambitious, but Hassy's scale of operations is something worth bearing in mind.
Contrast AF on a 2019 mirrorless camera is a bit silly, the EVF and rear screen should have been like this when X1D was first launched.
I think that's the main issue here - these updates are all great, but they really should have been how the first camera arrived.
@@Artaius ... The Camera was released in 2016... which means it was under development in 2015.... How many cameras from that year had 3.6MPix EVF? Or a LCD with greater than 2Mpix resolution? Or allowed you to charge the camera through the USB? and so on.... The GFX cameras from Fujifilm where released over 1 year after the X1D....and so where drawing from a slightly more capable parts bin.... (They still use the same 50Mpix sensor though and have many of the AF and speed limitations)
X2d looks really promising
forgot to mention - i am subscribing to this youtube channel.
Amazing, thank you!
The design is so nice, but shooting with the mark One, was not enjoyable. It seems the new version is not very different. Too bad.
Yup, the shooting experience is much the same (although the accumulation of the small updates does make it a more streamlined process). If you didn't enjoy using the original, sadly this one won't change your mind.
Finally someone knows what they're talking about: there is a look and feel that MF delivers that others don't. Absolutely. People who concentrate on megapixels just don't get it.
I'm actually quite impressed with the images shown here. They really have that MF look. I hope to get MF next year and it will be hard to choose: refurbished Phase One or the X1D II.
(Sorry for the slow reply - I've been moving house!) Thanks for the kind words, Ricardo! Agreed, the MF look is a real thing and can't be replicated by megapixels alone!
@@Artaius Oh, no worries at all! Moving is a tough thing!
The X1D I/II is amazing in so many ways. And the pricing is somewhat reasonable for what you get. Though I'm in the full-size MF sensor market for various reasons I'm sure you know.. I love the Phase One upgradeability and ecosystem. They also seem obsessed with getting the best and most accurate colors from a sensor. I love that! They are like 10 years ahead of 35mm in terms of quality. But you pay for it.
Keep up the great work and hope you love your new place!
@@ricardorgomez Thanks so much! It's great, just a jumble of boxes and mismatched cutlery ;-)
Did you have the chance to test the CFV II 50C where you went to?
would love your feedback on the new digital back.
I got to hold it and have a fiddle, but it was a prototype and I wasn't able to take any images with it, sadly! It's PROPER cool, though, and really tiny and awesome i the hand!
@@Artaius Thanks for the helpful review. Re: the CFV II and the 907 body, if it were priced the same as the X1D body, I'd buy it in a heartbeat, if only for its ergonomics (reminds so much of the pleasure I had with a 503CX) AND its titling screen. Why Hasselblad didn't add a titling screen to the X1D is a mystery. If they had, I'd be at the store the day of release.
@@frederic1019 You're so right - massive missed trick with the tilting screen, given that it's a Hasselblad medium format camera!!!
Frederic The X1D is so thin that there is no place for a sturdy flip screen mecanism, you have a viewfinder and wireless Phocus Mobile that permits framing on your iPhone or iPad. The 903X has no viewfinder what requires a flipscreen that has to be lifted for "normal framing".
I cant help but think "slightly improved mk II for over 40% less money than the first one". Did the buyers of the first one get ripped off? I think so. And now good luck selling the old one if you paid 10k. If you luky maybe 3k???? anyway, Fuji is taking over IMO. but i wish Fuji had leave shutter lenses knowing that they make lenses for Hassy as well. Good Video. Thank you
Thanks TJ! Fuji is doing amazing things in the medium format sphere - I spent today playing with the GFX 100 (video soon!) and it puts a lot into perspective!
I think if anyone want to experience medium format they will be better going for the Fuji system even either of the previous 2 cameras with 50mp would do the trick and be cheaper in comparison. But damn does hassel's camera look beautiful I suppose.
I know, right! It's a luxury product, and that's a big selling point - it really is lovely to look at, and it really is lovely to use. But it's tough when Fuji is offering such robust systems for a whole lot less…
@@Artaius I'll be honest the only thing Hassel has that I PERSONALLY like is the larger screen. BUT the Fuji allows a tilt design for taking photos. Hassel being smaller is cool but I still don't see the Fuji GFX line up to be any less "ugly" in comparison as one photo commentator said. :P
fantastic review - except for a minor point that one needs way more than 5+ grand. photos are a no-go without lenses sir, and even if Hasselblad drops the price of the camera by another 2k, a basic collection of 3 lenses will still do way more damage financially.
Thanks Dennis! And of course, the lenses are always the extra sting in the tail. I always feel bad about adding those to the price when I'm discussing camera bodies, though - people might choose a second hand lens, or a different priced lens than the one I talk about, so if I throw out a figure I'm sure I'd get people saying I'm inflating or deflating the price :-(
But you're right - and especially when you consider the price of the lens ecosystem on Hasselblad compared to Fuji, it's a big financial bite!
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great meeting you man.
Thank you my brother! And likewise on both counts :-D
Who really needs 100 megapixels?
People who shoot very high end commercial and product work… and people with more money than sense!
I’d prefer 50, it’s the sweet spot for high resolution but still low noise on such a large sensor. I couldn’t afford this Hassy but it is one of nicest, sleekest cameras I’ve seen, easy walk around camera. If anything I’d keep 50 mp but maybe have it bsi, improve autofocus etc.
i just had a brief hands-on with the gfx 100 megapixels - and will have another more proper hands on at a fujifilm event in my country next week. I would like to say that nobody needs a 100 megapixels, but it is always nice to have.
when the sales people asked me why am i interested but still not buying the camera, i told them i lack subjects to shoot that will require 100MP. Most of the time, 42MP is a massive overkill.
it was certainly fun to shoot, but considering the weight, the file size, and all associated extra work that comes with it, i would say no thanks.
I do!
And I’m still stitching 100 mpx files to get it even bigger.
Dennis Lim “nobody needs 100mpx”?
Well you can print wallpaper 60X13ft for close up viewing from that 42mpx that also is too much for you, an see how it will turn out 🙈🤣
I’m stitching several 100mpx files to get it good enough..!
But if the picture was a mile away, you don’t need more than a iPhon
This is my work, making large print for the industry..
That is a little hope, the price is far less than the Fuji 100pixels , and Hasselblad is always more expensive, so maybe the 100mpixel version is coming. If not HB is basically death.
I would genuinely like to see Hassy do something exciting with a 100MP sensor!
Your definition of "ever so slightly" is rather silly... the only thing that is the same between the new camera and old are 1) The Sensor 2) The battery.... EVERY THING ELSE IS NEW.... I repeat.... Every Thing Else is New.....
Hi, were you able to flash sync to 1/2000 . If yes, what trigger did you use. Thank you
Any trigger can do it - even a hard wired sync lead - the cameras lenses are leaf
I didn't sync that high, but yep - leaf shutters are wonderful things!
Thank you!
Your question means that for you the sensor size makes the camera, as if nothing else is essential : focus speed, ergonomics, lenses available, power on time, dynamic range, colors, image processing etc... Furthermore, for many, 33x44 is not really a MF.
I'm not really sure I agree with that, since I'm a Micro Four Thirds shooter! But the fact is, for most people, the only reason they would even look twice at this camera is because of its sensor.
And yes, the Hasselblad and Fuji cropped sensors aren't "real" medium format sensors. But then, everyone calls 35mm sensors "full-frame" when full frame is really large format 8x10, so what can you do.
I never used my autofocus on any of my camera for the last 62 years . I just hate that. And i dont trust any autofocus on any of my cameras. I shoot thousands of pictures in Formula One race tracks all around the world in single shots only and same for 8 Olympic games summer and winter. It depend what you want to accomplished in photography. I am an artist,,,not a camera nerds.
I also enjoy shooting f1. It is difficult to pan and shoot. takes practice.
Almost twice as fast and almost half as expensive = "ever so slightly refreshed"? Hmmmm...
Well, it *boots up* almost twice as fast, but I don't think that and a price reduction really make it a true upgrade!
@@Artaius ... again... the only things not changed and upgraded on the new camera are the Battery and the Sensor.... everything else is new and an upgrade....
@@silvestrocrino3256 I really would say updated rather than upgraded - the wheel isn't being reinvented, or even having any spokes added… maybe having baseball cards added between the spokes.
I'm not rubbishing the improvements - they're welcome, and I like them - but an actual upgrade would warrant an X1D user actually upgrading to this camera. There is no such upgrade to justify that, so they're really just updates. This is literally an updated camera - it's a Mark II version of the previous one.
@@Artaius ... Everything they updated was better than what the prior camera had it its place....hence every thing changed was in fact upgraded... By the very definition of the word no?... CPU, EVF, LCD, SD Card Drives, Buffer, USB-C Port and associated electronics, GPS Electronics... all upgraded (i.e. replaced with something better than the previous version)...
The Sony A7r3 uses the same sensor as the A7r2... was the r3 an upgrade worthy of moving up from the R2? the answer is... depends.... but to poo poo the changes between those two Sony cameras or between the X1Dm1 and m2 would be just silly.... again... the only thing the same on both Hassy cameras are the Sensor and the Battery.... even the hand grip changed slightly to be more comfortable with bigger lenses.... By saying that the changes amount to nothing more than baseball cards added between the spokes you are implying that the rims themselves are the same...and we know that they, and most of the rest of the bike, are not...this is in fact minimizing the changes made.... which is frankly ridiculous...
@@silvestrocrino3256 Honestly, I really think you'd feel differently if you actually used the camera, but no matter - if you're happy with this new model, that's great!
Are they gonna role out a new software improvement for X1D 1 by the way? A lil improvement maybe?
They didn't mention any new firmware for the X1D, so I have a feeling that there's nothing any time soon.
Hi
I was wondering how this camera Hasselblad X1D II 50C performs in very low light, for example , how it performs in galaxy shooting , stars shooting precisely shooting night landscapes?
Could you please elaborate if you have any experience in it.
Thank you .
My Nikon Z7 vs a 50 megapixel Hasselblad? Costs do mean something to some pros.
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Fujifilm is not a rival 😂
A rival medium format camera manufacturer, making rival medium format cameras, isn't a rival?
When a camera cost as much as my BMW...and it doesn't come with a flipscreen (it is a professional camera but i still would prefer a flipscreen)
I'm curious... where did you find a BMW for $6K?
@Silvestro Crino my neighbor sold it for me for just $5k. He give me a pretty decent discount since it was my 20th birthday and i'm dating his daughter.
Every camera should have a screen that flips, or at least tilts! Though in fairness, I can see the argument that they wanted to keep this as slim and sleek as possible… but I'd still love a flippy screen!